Why Aether is a Poor Model for Light — and What Does Better

The aether hypothesis has deep intuitive roots. Humans observe waves propagating through water and air, and it feels natural to assume that light, also a wave phenomenon, must similarly require a medium. But this analogy breaks down the moment you examine what actually makes those familiar mediums work.

Water waves and sound waves in air don’t propagate freely — they propagate because the medium is *contained*. In the case of our atmosphere, it is gravity that sandwiches a layer of gas between the Earth’s surface and the gravitational field, keeping it from dispersing into space. In solids, Coulomb’s law binds atomic lattices together, allowing vibrations to travel through structured material. Every wave medium we know of exists because some force is holding it together.

Now ask: what contains the luminic aether in space? There is no answer. Newton himself gave us the principle — a body in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by an external force. An aether filling the vacuum of space has no gravitational container, no electromagnetic lattice, no boundary condition of any kind. It would simply disperse. The mechanical conditions that make wave-carrying mediums possible on Earth are entirely absent in the void between stars. The aether hypothesis borrows the intuition from one physical situation and quietly ignores the constraints that make that situation possible.

The problems don’t stop there. Aether struggles badly with specific light behaviors — lasers being a clear example. Coherent, directed, polarized light behaving over vast distances is deeply awkward for a medium-based model. What kind of medium produces such precise, non-dispersing behavior?

This brings us to an important and underappreciated alternative. Robert de Hilster, in work developed around 2015, proposed a mechanically grounded model: light as *waves of particles traveling together through space* — what he calls luminic motion. This is part of a broader framework at fourmotions.org describing four universal motions (gravitic, magnetic, luminic, and electric), all carried by the same fundamental particle, differing only in the pattern of motion. As the Four Motions framework puts it, luminic motion is made of waves of particles traveling together through space, which solves the wave-particle duality of light. This is a physically grounded, visualizable model that requires no invisible, uncontained medium — and it handles the behaviors that aether cannot.

This is also a direct rebuttal to Dr. Glenn Borchardt, whose Infinite Universe Theory is genuinely important work and whose insistence that light must have a physical model is absolutely correct. That instinct is right. But the conclusion he draws from it — that aether is the answer, and that no competing physical model exists — is where the argument goes wrong on both counts. Aether is not a satisfying physical model; it merely relocates the mystery into an undefined, uncontained substance. And the claim that no alternative exists is simply incorrect. De Hilster’s particle-wave model demonstrates that you can have a rigorous, mechanical, physical model of light without invoking aether at all.

Dr. Borchardt’s broader contributions will stand. But his defense of aether as the model for light, and his dismissal of alternatives, will likely be seen as the weak link in an otherwise strong theoretical framework. The container problem alone shou

I regard ether as a good model and I think that light is moving waves only (a behavior) and particles exist in the ether (not in light).

  • Ether waves
  • Light particles

Particles does not move with light. Instead, only a behavior moves with light in the form of waves and particles move in all directions.

John-Erik

Correction

  • Light is waves
  • Ether is particles

John-Erik

As far as I’m aware, there has never been any real serious proof of something like the aether existing, and the M-M-E disproved with very high certainty a specific and popular idea of the aether, yes it did not prove the stupid assumptions of einstein, but it did prove that version of the aether to be wrong.

I honestly don’t know why the aether theories are still popular.

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This addressed nothing. The topic is that aether needs a container and does not have one, and you said nothing about this except “Aether is good”.

The transfer of light and gravity proves that a medium must exist

John-Erik

All space in the Universe is the container the medium transmitting light and gravity

John-Erik

“The transfer of light and gravity proves that a medium must exist”

“transfer” is a weird term… it doesn’t clearly indicate what you mean, you mean simply their existence and their behavior? because that is completely false, the existence and behavior of light do not prove an aether unless you have any prove of it. and also bringing gravity here is extremely weird because it isn’t related at all…

In completely empty space there is no light and no gravity

In Newton’s ether with fast and small particles moving in all directions we can explain light and gravity with matter absorbing ether particles. Thereby ether and matter interacts in both directions.

Your idea that two bodies can attract each other over empty space is absurd. Instead body A absorbs ether particles and fewer particles are leaving A and we get a flow in radial direction symmetric around A, but not around B. The flow around B causes a force on B in direction towards A. The same in the opposite direction.

The ether causes forces to emerge inside matter, and gravity is explained without magical action at a distance.

John-Erik

The universe is infinite and therefore not a container. Your universe container has to have walls. Where are they?

John, you need to look at the gravitic field of random particles. Space is not empty. It is full of particles moving in random directions are all levels of the universe. I can never follow your logic. You seem to write in isolation with not understanding what the other person is arguing. I find this futal. I will let your words hang yourself. Arguing with you using logic is pure frustration. Good luck to you. Wish you the best but this is not a discussion. It is a flow of words that make no sense.

Don’t worry: I’m doing with discussing with you. But being moderator, please stick to the topic. This is not a topic for you to talk about your aether theory. It is one about containers. Please stick to the topic.

A large container is still a container.

John-Erik

You started to use the word container

John-Erik

A container has confined boundaries. What surface exists to make this container?

You said that this discussion is about containers and not ether and that is not true. Instead you started by writing: Why Aether is

There is no light duality, since light is just waves and not particles. Particles exist only in the ether and not in light.

Einstein said (in error) that the photoelectric effect and the Compton effect could not be explained by the wave model, but such an explanation is easily found in the process that is reverse in relation to how capturing of electrons generates waves. That is when exposure with waves causes electrons to escape and this explains the photoelectric effect. The Compton effect is two processes:

  • waves –> escape
  • capturing –> waves
  • no light particles
  • no light duality
  • Niels Bohr was wrong

John-Erik

The topic says why Aether is a bad model. This has the answer of “container”. This is not a discussion on how aether works. It’s a discussion on how people who have Aether models like yourself have no container. Saying you have a container when you don’t, doesn’t make it magically appear. That’s what this discussion is about. Anybody reading the topic understands that. So please stop talking about how you’re aether works and explain to me how you have a physical container without having a container. And no: the universe is not a container. Your words are not magic. There has to be a physical container for aether to stay in a place. Or magical properties. And I don’t believe in magic.

John-Erik, could I know how old are you and from where you are from? I’m 24 and from Spain.

David

A container has capacity to contain and walls are just limiting and not needed. So, the ultimate container contains everything without limits.

The only alternative to the ether is complete emptyness and that means there is nothing that can act as medium for transmitting light and gravity.

My ether penetrates everything and exists inside matter.